Re: please update description of grison

From: Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>
To: Stefan Kaltenbrunner <stefan(at)kaltenbrunner(dot)cc>
Cc: Álvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)alvh(dot)no-ip(dot)org>, Mikael Kjellström <mikael(dot)kjellstrom(at)mksoft(dot)nu>, Peter Eisentraut <peter(at)eisentraut(dot)org>, mikael(dot)kjellstrom(at)gmail(dot)com, buildfarm-members(at)lists(dot)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: please update description of grison
Date: 2025-03-07 16:36:57
Message-ID: 1023615.1741365417@sss.pgh.pa.us
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Stefan Kaltenbrunner <stefan(at)kaltenbrunner(dot)cc> writes:
> On 07.03.25 10:02, Álvaro Herrera wrote:
>> The fact that the compiler itself cannot be changed (say from gcc to
>> clang, which you appear to be trying to do for sidewinder) appears to be
>> on purpose. I suppose you should submit a new request and abandon the
>> old animal name, if you wanted to make such a conversion. (I don't
>> necessarily agree with this view of things, but it's how it is at
>> present.)

> yeah, I think this whole area could do with some rethinking - it is
> _very_ common for people upgrading operating systems or even running
> operating systems that are doing a continous upgrade thing.

The idea is that switching to a whole new OS or compiler really does
result in a different animal, which should have a different name to
reduce confusion. (I didn't make this decision, but it seems
reasonable to me.) Upgrades are fine, but those should only be
moving the version numbers.

> ... ideally I would expect the buildfarm itself to update the OS and
> compiler version - what we have now is basically always outdated and wrong.

Yeah, ideally we would not bother with the manual labeling of
versions. I know how to scrape compiler versions out of the
build logs, and I always do that when I am interested in
compiler versions, rather than trusting the labels. But it's
much harder to identify OS version from the build logs ...

regards, tom lane

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