Re: What we need to do

From: Debra Cerda <dcerda(at)postgresql(dot)us>
To: Valeria Kaplan <vk(at)dataegret(dot)com>
Cc: Boriss Mejias <bmejias(at)dcc(dot)uchile(dot)cl>, Lætitia Avrot <laetitia(dot)avrot(at)gmail(dot)com>, pgsql-women(at)lists(dot)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: What we need to do
Date: 2018-04-12 17:33:10
Message-ID: CADCLo0-7Bu_6dM7tuZ9TPWXGzQcR63FqEuL2JXcF9v8XCR7wxw@mail.gmail.com
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 10:51 AM Valeria Kaplan <vk(at)dataegret(dot)com> wrote:

> Agree with Lætitia,
> It doesn't matter what sex you are or feel that you belong to, everyone
> should feel welcomed in our group and activities. In my opinion, excluding
> men in any way would be contra-productive. As if to say, "you are not a
> woman - you can't contribute" or "you will be too pushy". Those are the
> exact assumptions we are striving to break, no?
>
> another ++ to: Anyone (men or women) that want to force their vision to
> our group should be explained that it's not the way we work.
>
>
+1

Please note these scenarios were mostly observations and not my beliefs.
Indeed, most of my professional mentors have been men.

It’s wonderful and humbling to have past male colleagues reach out and ask
for my advice and help in diversifying their workforce, or building up
their female staff through female centric professional organizations.
Paying it forward however I can.

> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:48 PM, Lætitia Avrot <laetitia(dot)avrot(at)gmail(dot)com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Boriss
>>
>>
>>> I think excluding men from certain activities can be positive in the
>>> goal of making women feel welcomed. For instance: Women-only IRC/Slack
>>> channels can be a good thing. Women-only Hackathon can also help in making
>>> women feel welcomed.
>>>
>>>
>> I strongly disagree. I want everyone to feel welcome, whatever their
>> gender is. If you start creating little worlds without men, first you
>> exclude people and that's a negative message to give and then it's totally
>> artificial as our world is populated with both men and women. So if we feel
>> there is a problem with with women representation in our community, we need
>> to find a solution together. Men and women both have brain, so they can
>> both come with creative ideas.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Lætitia
>>
>
>

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