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I assume that PGUS will not be accepting donations until process for
the 501c3 is complete. Will interested persons be able to make
donations to the organization in the same way that they purchase
membership?
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Richard Broersma Jr.
Visit the Los Angeles PostgreSQL Users Group (LAPUG)
http://pugs.postgresql.org/lapug
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On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:46:23 -0700
"Richard Broersma" <richard(dot)broersma(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
> I assume that PGUS will not be accepting donations until process for
> the 501c3 is complete. Will interested persons be able to make
> donations to the organization in the same way that they purchase
> membership?
I called the CPA before I answered this question. We are a real
corporation. Our 501c3 is pending. We can accept donations now and
conduct business normally.
If our 501c3 is approved all donations can be considered charitable
contributions and it is retroactive to the date of 1023 filing.
If you are donating and our 501c3 is not approved:
If you are a professional you can write off the donation as a
professional membership on your individual return.
If you are not a professional it is just an expense and it is not
tax deductible.
If you are a corporation you can write it off as advertising,
marketing, outside services all depending on what the donation was.
The effects on the corporation if our 501c3 is not approved:
Any monies collected by PgUS will be considered income to the
corporation and we will have to pay taxes on it just like any other
corp.
In terms of giving donations I would like us to offer every reasonable
way for someone to donate. Yes, we will allow via the website, via
mail, via ACH etc... Did you have something specific in mind in regards
to donations?
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
DISCLAIMER: Always consult your tax professional
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On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Joshua Drake <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com> wrote:
> In terms of giving donations I would like us to offer every reasonable
> way for someone to donate. Yes, we will allow via the website, via
> mail, via ACH etc... Did you have something specific in mind in regards
> to donations?
Would it be possible to have complimentary gifts (i.e. Pg t-shirts,
polos and other "booth swag") with suggested donation amounts? I
guess as far as making donations, the community just needs the
necessary instructions on how to make the donation.
--
Regards,
Richard Broersma Jr.
Visit the Los Angeles PostgreSQL Users Group (LAPUG)
http://pugs.postgresql.org/lapug
P.S. I am eager to find a way to get few shirts for my relatives and myself.
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Last year we made a donation to NPR and got our annual swag for it -
lovely mug and bag. When I did our taxes though I had to enter a value
for the swag. Actually NPR's receipt gave it to me. This years
donation won't include us receiving swag, the stuff is nice, but I'd
rather the whole tax benefit.<br>
<br>
just a thought..<br>
<br>
Richard Broersma wrote:
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<pre wrap="">On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Joshua Drake <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com"><jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">In terms of giving donations I would like us to offer every reasonable
way for someone to donate. Yes, we will allow via the website, via
mail, via ACH etc... Did you have something specific in mind in regards
to donations?
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
Would it be possible to have complimentary gifts (i.e. Pg t-shirts,
polos and other "booth swag") with suggested donation amounts? I
guess as far as making donations, the community just needs the
necessary instructions on how to make the donation.
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On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Melanie <melanie(at)dunslane(dot)net> wrote:
> Last year we made a donation to NPR and got our annual swag for it - lovely
> mug and bag. When I did our taxes though I had to enter a value for the
> swag. Actually NPR's receipt gave it to me. This years donation won't
> include us receiving swag, the stuff is nice, but I'd rather the whole tax
> benefit.
Thanks that's good to know. However, I wouldn't mind getting a
t-shirt every now and then thought. :)
--
Regards,
Richard Broersma Jr.
Visit the Los Angeles PostgreSQL Users Group (LAPUG)
http://pugs.postgresql.org/lapug
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'm sure plenty would agree, it just does add an extra tax effort to the
donation process, I assume not just for the donor but for the group too.<br>
<br>
Richard Broersma wrote:
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<pre wrap="">On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Melanie <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:melanie(at)dunslane(dot)net"><melanie(at)dunslane(dot)net></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Last year we made a donation to NPR and got our annual swag for it - lovely
mug and bag. When I did our taxes though I had to enter a value for the
swag. Actually NPR's receipt gave it to me. This years donation won't
include us receiving swag, the stuff is nice, but I'd rather the whole tax
benefit.
</pre>
</blockquote>
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Thanks that's good to know. However, I wouldn't mind getting a
t-shirt every now and then thought. :)
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On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:04:57 -0700
"Richard Broersma" <richard(dot)broersma(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Melanie <melanie(at)dunslane(dot)net> wrote:
> > Last year we made a donation to NPR and got our annual swag for it
> > - lovely mug and bag. When I did our taxes though I had to enter a
> > value for the swag. Actually NPR's receipt gave it to me. This
> > years donation won't include us receiving swag, the stuff is nice,
> > but I'd rather the whole tax benefit.
>
> Thanks that's good to know. However, I wouldn't mind getting a
> t-shirt every now and then thought. :)
The primary SWAG issue is one of logistics. Right now the community
orders SWAG in bulk and we distribute SWAG in bulk. Allowing for one
off distribution becomes very expensive in terms of time. Time, is the
one thing none of us have a lot of.
One thought would be to distribute this load through user groups. PgUS
orders a bunch of SWAG in bulk and then distributes it to various user
groups. Thus if Joe Conway wants a shirt, he contacts LAPUG as that is
his closest user group (even though he is in San Diego). LAPUG deals
with collecting and distribution.
Thoughts?
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
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Sounds logical - being a newbie, how does that work? Do the user
groups buy it upfront and then get what they can or is it fronted with
the idea of gathering donations?<br>
<br>
Joshua Drake wrote:
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<pre wrap="">On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:04:57 -0700
"Richard Broersma" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:richard(dot)broersma(at)gmail(dot)com"><richard(dot)broersma(at)gmail(dot)com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Melanie <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:melanie(at)dunslane(dot)net"><melanie(at)dunslane(dot)net></a> wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Last year we made a donation to NPR and got our annual swag for it
- lovely mug and bag. When I did our taxes though I had to enter a
value for the swag. Actually NPR's receipt gave it to me. This
years donation won't include us receiving swag, the stuff is nice,
but I'd rather the whole tax benefit.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">Thanks that's good to know. However, I wouldn't mind getting a
t-shirt every now and then thought. :)
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
The primary SWAG issue is one of logistics. Right now the community
orders SWAG in bulk and we distribute SWAG in bulk. Allowing for one
off distribution becomes very expensive in terms of time. Time, is the
one thing none of us have a lot of.
One thought would be to distribute this load through user groups. PgUS
orders a bunch of SWAG in bulk and then distributes it to various user
groups. Thus if Joe Conway wants a shirt, he contacts LAPUG as that is
his closest user group (even though he is in San Diego). LAPUG deals
with collecting and distribution.
Thoughts?
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
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On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:32:11 -0400
Melanie <melanie(at)dunslane(dot)net> wrote:
> Sounds logical - being a newbie, how does that work? Do the user
> groups buy it upfront and then get what they can or is it fronted
> with the idea of gathering donations?
No, I would assume that primary distribution would stay the same.
Meaning we would centrally purchase the SWAG and then distribute out to
the user groups. The user groups would handle the collections/donations
as they saw fit and then donate upstream to us. That is actually very
similar to how we do tradeshows now. Basically someone goes to a show
and says, "We need xyz". We ship them XYZ, they collect donations and
it gets donated back.
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
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On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:22:25 -0700
Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com> wrote:
> Josh,
>
> > One thought would be to distribute this load through user groups.
> > PgUS orders a bunch of SWAG in bulk and then distributes it to
> > various user groups. Thus if Joe Conway wants a shirt, he contacts
> > LAPUG as that is his closest user group (even though he is in San
> > Diego). LAPUG deals with collecting and distribution.
>
> What if the nearest usergroup isn't involved with pgUS?
"Postgresql" :)
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
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Josh,
> One thought would be to distribute this load through user groups. PgUS
> orders a bunch of SWAG in bulk and then distributes it to various user
> groups. Thus if Joe Conway wants a shirt, he contacts LAPUG as that is
> his closest user group (even though he is in San Diego). LAPUG deals
> with collecting and distribution.
What if the nearest usergroup isn't involved with pgUS?
--
--Josh
Josh Berkus
PostgreSQL
San Francisco
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On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:20:57 -0700
Joshua Drake <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com> wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:22:25 -0700
> Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com> wrote:
>
> > Josh,
> >
> > > One thought would be to distribute this load through user groups.
> > > PgUS orders a bunch of SWAG in bulk and then distributes it to
> > > various user groups. Thus if Joe Conway wants a shirt, he contacts
> > > LAPUG as that is his closest user group (even though he is in San
> > > Diego). LAPUG deals with collecting and distribution.
> >
> > What if the nearest usergroup isn't involved with pgUS?
>
> "Postgresql" :)
And in consideration I realize that not everyone would have a clue what
I meant by that. I don't see "user groups" as involved with PgUS. I see
them as involved with PostgreSQL. They can use the services that PgUS
offers, provide their own services , request from SPI (or PgEU as
appropriate etc..) or any combination thereof. User groups are
entirely autonomous to me.
Micro communities make the stronger Macro community.
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
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Josh,
> "Postgresql" :)
I'm just saying that the proposal seems to be to involve the various user
groups in pg.us fundraising through distribution of shirts in return for
pg.us donations. Or did I miss something?
--
--Josh
Josh Berkus
PostgreSQL
San Francisco
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On Thursday 11 September 2008 21:33:41 Josh Berkus wrote:
> Josh,
>
> > "Postgresql" :)
>
> I'm just saying that the proposal seems to be to involve the various user
> groups in pg.us fundraising through distribution of shirts in return for
> pg.us donations. Or did I miss something?
>
ISTM if pg.us buys the shirts, then they would likely spread them around to
any .us based groups. If pg.eu buys them they spread them around to .eu
groups. I don't think any further link is needed between the groups and the
purchasing party, since the .us or .eu would be deciding what best meets
thier organizational goals (~ spreading pg usage in the US for this group). I
suppose if you want an international distribution, you should propose pg.spi
buy shirts.
--
Robert Treat
Build A Brighter LAMP :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
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On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:57:27 -0400
Robert Treat <xzilla(at)users(dot)sourceforge(dot)net> wrote:
> On Thursday 11 September 2008 21:33:41 Josh Berkus wrote:
> > Josh,
> >
> > > "Postgresql" :)
> >
> > I'm just saying that the proposal seems to be to involve the
> > various user groups in pg.us fundraising through distribution of
> > shirts in return for pg.us donations. Or did I miss something?
> >
>
> ISTM if pg.us buys the shirts, then they would likely spread them
> around to any .us based groups. If pg.eu buys them they spread them
> around to .eu groups. I don't think any further link is needed
> between the groups and the purchasing party, since the .us or .eu
Right. User groups are autonomous with their own identity and goals.
They are however supported as the overlying goal (regardless of the
individual points) is "PostgreSQL".
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
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