Re: Upgraded Site..any news ?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexey Borzov [mailto:borz_off(at)cs(dot)msu(dot)su]
> Sent: 26 February 2004 20:49
> To: David Costa
> Cc: pgsql-www(at)postgresql(dot)org
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Upgraded Site..any news ?
>
> Meanwhile I was going to borrow some code from Horde for
> cleaner gettext() management and produce a clean patch for
> the current CVS version of 'portal'.

Watch the licence there - we publish the website code under BSD...

Regards, Dave.

Hi!

Dave Page wrote:
>>Meanwhile I was going to borrow some code from Horde for
>>cleaner gettext() management and produce a clean patch for
>>the current CVS version of 'portal'.
>
> Watch the licence there - we publish the website code under BSD...

Horde is under LGPL. I am not a license guru, so please tell me whether
it is OK to use parts of it.

Alexey Borzov wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Dave Page wrote:
> >>Meanwhile I was going to borrow some code from Horde for
> >>cleaner gettext() management and produce a clean patch for
> >>the current CVS version of 'portal'.
> >
> > Watch the licence there - we publish the website code under BSD...
>
> Horde is under LGPL. I am not a license guru, so please tell me whether
> it is OK to use parts of it.

It is not. LGPL requires that any changes we make be published, and we
currently don't have that resetriction with our BSD license.

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On Feb 28, 2004, at 4:56 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote:

> Alexey Borzov wrote:
>>
>> Horde is under LGPL. I am not a license guru, so please tell me
>> whether
>> it is OK to use parts of it.
>
> It is not. LGPL requires that any changes we make be published, and we
> currently don't have that resetriction with our BSD license.

I am not 100% sure but, if you need a class (e.g. a php pear class)
which is released under e.g. php license you can certainly use it
regardless of what your license policy is unless you plan to modify it
and redistribute it under a difference license.

The same would apply for a CPAN module, there are released under
artistic license isn't it ?

If we take a class and extend it that should just be as fine as we are
using it. What exactly are you planning to use from Horde?
the mirror ip to country is a rather basic script (if you use the same
one used at php.net) and doesn't even need a class as far as I know..
http://www.php.net/source.php?url=/my.php )

>
Regards,
David Costa, PostgreSQL Advocate
david at postgresql ddoot org gurugeek att php dot net
$dsn = 'pgsql://world:most_advanced(at)localhost/open_source_database';

On Saturday 28 February 2004 18:59, David Costa wrote:
> On Feb 28, 2004, at 4:56 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > Alexey Borzov wrote:
> >> Horde is under LGPL. I am not a license guru, so please tell me
> >> whether
> >> it is OK to use parts of it.
> >
> > It is not. LGPL requires that any changes we make be published, and we
> > currently don't have that resetriction with our BSD license.
>
> I am not 100% sure but, if you need a class (e.g. a php pear class)
> which is released under e.g. php license you can certainly use it
> regardless of what your license policy is unless you plan to modify it
> and redistribute it under a difference license.
>
> The same would apply for a CPAN module, there are released under
> artistic license isn't it ?
>
> If we take a class and extend it that should just be as fine as we are
> using it. What exactly are you planning to use from Horde?
> the mirror ip to country is a rather basic script (if you use the same
> one used at php.net) and doesn't even need a class as far as I know..
> http://www.php.net/source.php?url=/my.php )
>

The problem is that if we modify these classes/packages and then make them a
part of our source tree, we are bound by whatever license terms the packages
come with. Since we offer our code as BSD, we cannot include code that would
restrict our ability to license the web code under BSD. We can use the lgpl
classes provided in PEAR so long as it's not required the code be put into
our source tree, but lifting code from one of these and including it in our
code is not acceptable.

Robert Treat
--
Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL

On Mar 1, 2004, at 5:24 AM, Robert Treat wrote:
>>
>
> The problem is that if we modify these classes/packages and then make
> them a
> part of our source tree, we are bound by whatever license terms the
> packages
> come with. Since we offer our code as BSD, we cannot include code
> that would
> restrict our ability to license the web code under BSD. We can use
> the lgpl
> classes provided in PEAR so long as it's not required the code be put
> into
> our source tree, but lifting code from one of these and including it
> in our
> code is not acceptable.

Fine, thanks for the clarification. Just for the sake of transparency
I am working on my own code implementation for the IP2country on
postgresql mirrors,
nothing borrowed from horde to avoid any possible trouble. I will
upload on my beta space as soon as possible.

It should be fine as pear classes are not part of the source three as
these are only in the include dir (which is outside of the three).
I will not modify any existing pear class.

BTW Pear classes are released under PHP license, this should be
different then LGPL isn't it ?

Cheers
David

>
> Robert Treat
> --
> Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL

Hi!

David Costa wrote:
> Fine, thanks for the clarification. Just for the sake of transparency I
> am working on my own code implementation for the IP2country on
> postgresql mirrors,
> nothing borrowed from horde to avoid any possible trouble. I will upload
> on my beta space as soon as possible.

Current implementation of ip2country in portal was written by Andreas, I didn't
change it at all. I don't think there can be problems with that.

I wanted to borrow some code (Lang class, to be exact) for handling *gettext*
issues.

> It should be fine as pear classes are not part of the source three as
> these are only in the include dir (which is outside of the three).
> I will not modify any existing pear class.
>
> BTW Pear classes are released under PHP license, this should be
> different then LGPL isn't it ?

Different PEAR classes are released under different licenses, AFAIK there exist
BSD and LGPL licensed ones.

On Mar 1, 2004, at 10:08 PM, Alexey Borzov wrote:

> Hi!
>
> David Costa wrote:
>> Fine, thanks for the clarification. Just for the sake of transparency
>> I am working on my own code implementation for the IP2country on
>> postgresql mirrors,
>> nothing borrowed from horde to avoid any possible trouble. I will
>> upload on my beta space as soon as possible.
>
> Current implementation of ip2country in portal was written by Andreas,
> I didn't change it at all. I don't think there can be problems with
> that.

Well, AFAIK is not available at the moment so if I find the time I will
try to code it up in the upcoming days :D
>
> I wanted to borrow some code (Lang class, to be exact) for handling
> *gettext* issues.
>
>> It should be fine as pear classes are not part of the source three as
>> these are only in the include dir (which is outside of the three).
>> I will not modify any existing pear class.
>> BTW Pear classes are released under PHP license, this should be
>> different then LGPL isn't it ?
>
> Different PEAR classes are released under different licenses, AFAIK
> there exist BSD and LGPL licensed ones.
>
yes well using a class is possible regardless of its license as it will
not be part of the source three.
I checked your beta, very nice, that said I would not recommend using a
template system aka smarty or any pear template. It will tie the
website development to the development/API of that specific class and
to me, is not good.

Cheers
David

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