Re: Time to retire -performance?

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From: "Joshua D(dot) Drake" <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
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Subject: Time to retire -performance?
Date: 2016-01-05 17:56:04
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Team,

I think it is time to retire this list. It gets very, very little
traffic and most people (by an extreme margin) just use -general or
-hackers.

JD
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From: Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>
To: "Joshua D(dot) Drake" <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
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Subject: Re: Time to retire -performance?
Date: 2016-01-05 18:26:54
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Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> Team,
>
> I think it is time to retire this list. It gets very, very little traffic
> and most people (by an extreme margin) just use -general or -hackers.

No way. There are two useful threads just on the last week. What would
be the point?

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From: Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>
To: Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>
Cc: "Joshua D(dot) Drake" <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>, PostgreSQL WWW Mailing List <pgsql-www(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: Time to retire -performance?
Date: 2016-01-05 18:32:39
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Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com> writes:
> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>> I think it is time to retire this list. It gets very, very little traffic
>> and most people (by an extreme margin) just use -general or -hackers.

> No way. There are two useful threads just on the last week. What would
> be the point?

Indeed. There are some lists I think we possibly *could* retire,
like -interfaces, but -performance is reasonably popular.

regards, tom lane

From: Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>
To: Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>
Cc: "Joshua D(dot) Drake" <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>, PostgreSQL WWW Mailing List <pgsql-www(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: Time to retire -performance?
Date: 2016-01-05 18:39:39
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Tom Lane wrote:
> Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com> writes:
> > Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> >> I think it is time to retire this list. It gets very, very little traffic
> >> and most people (by an extreme margin) just use -general or -hackers.
>
> > No way. There are two useful threads just on the last week. What would
> > be the point?
>
> Indeed. There are some lists I think we possibly *could* retire,
> like -interfaces, but -performance is reasonably popular.

Actually I was thinking we could retire pgsql-php and redirect the
almost non-existant traffic to -interfaces.

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PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Remote DBA, Training & Services

From: "Joshua D(dot) Drake" <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
To: Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>
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Subject: Re: Time to retire -performance?
Date: 2016-01-05 18:55:20
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On 01/05/2016 10:26 AM, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>> Team,
>>
>> I think it is time to retire this list. It gets very, very little traffic
>> and most people (by an extreme margin) just use -general or -hackers.
>
> No way. There are two useful threads just on the last week. What would
> be the point?
>

That useful thread could just as easily be on -general or -hackers
depending on context.

JD

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From: "Joshua D(dot) Drake" <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
To: Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>
Cc: PostgreSQL WWW Mailing List <pgsql-www(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: Time to retire -performance?
Date: 2016-01-05 18:56:49
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On 01/05/2016 10:32 AM, Tom Lane wrote:
> Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com> writes:
>> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>>> I think it is time to retire this list. It gets very, very little traffic
>>> and most people (by an extreme margin) just use -general or -hackers.
>
>> No way. There are two useful threads just on the last week. What would
>> be the point?
>
> Indeed. There are some lists I think we possibly *could* retire,
> like -interfaces, but -performance is reasonably popular.

And -admin but -performance is reasonably popular by what metric?

http://www.postgresql.org/list/pgsql-performance/before/201601011713

Is pretty dry in comparison to say -general.

If we don't want to do it, cool. Just thinking maybe for the sake of
more eyes equals more possibility of response.

JD

>
> regards, tom lane
>

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From: "Joshua D(dot) Drake" <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
To: Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>
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Subject: Re: Time to retire -performance?
Date: 2016-01-05 18:57:13
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On 01/05/2016 10:39 AM, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> Tom Lane wrote:
>> Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com> writes:
>>> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>>>> I think it is time to retire this list. It gets very, very little traffic
>>>> and most people (by an extreme margin) just use -general or -hackers.
>>
>>> No way. There are two useful threads just on the last week. What would
>>> be the point?
>>
>> Indeed. There are some lists I think we possibly *could* retire,
>> like -interfaces, but -performance is reasonably popular.
>
> Actually I was thinking we could retire pgsql-php and redirect the
> almost non-existant traffic to -interfaces.

I would instead push them to php.net lists....

jD

>

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From: Peter Geoghegan <pg(at)heroku(dot)com>
To: Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>
Cc: "Joshua D(dot) Drake" <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>, PostgreSQL WWW Mailing List <pgsql-www(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: Time to retire -performance?
Date: 2016-01-05 19:08:14
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On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Alvaro Herrera
<alvherre(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com> wrote:
>> I think it is time to retire this list. It gets very, very little traffic
>> and most people (by an extreme margin) just use -general or -hackers.
>
> No way. There are two useful threads just on the last week. What would
> be the point?

-performance did seem to have a heyday, about 4 years ago, when Greg
Smith was very active; Greg specifically names -performance in his
book, for example. While I think the -performance list has declined
since then, I'd still never vote to remove it.

--
Peter Geoghegan

From: Raymond O'Donnell <rod(at)iol(dot)ie>
To: "Joshua D(dot) Drake" <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>
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Subject: Re: Time to retire -performance?
Date: 2016-01-05 21:17:20
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On 05/01/2016 18:57, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> On 01/05/2016 10:39 AM, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
>> Tom Lane wrote:
>>> Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com> writes:
>>>> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>>>>> I think it is time to retire this list. It gets very, very little
>>>>> traffic
>>>>> and most people (by an extreme margin) just use -general or -hackers.
>>>
>>>> No way. There are two useful threads just on the last week. What
>>>> would
>>>> be the point?
>>>
>>> Indeed. There are some lists I think we possibly *could* retire,
>>> like -interfaces, but -performance is reasonably popular.
>>
>> Actually I was thinking we could retire pgsql-php and redirect the
>> almost non-existant traffic to -interfaces.
>
> I would instead push them to php.net lists....

To be fair, the (very few) threads that have have appeared there any
time recently would have been better on -general, so I'd push them there
instead.

Ray.

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